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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-3747). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-3747, acc. 2020-10-21

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 488-489
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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  Anno and die quo supra1. Bernardus Mir, dominus de Sancto Martino de Landa , requisitus de veritate dicenda de se et de aliis vivis et mortuis super crimine heresis et Valdesie, testis iuratus dixit quod apud Sanctum Martinum in domo Bernardi de Sancto Nazario vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina ignorat et vidit ibi cum eis Bernardum Arrezat, militem contra Arrezat; Stephanum de Fendelha; Willelmum de Rovinhol; Petrum de Guzenx; Petrum Folc; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Sed ipse testis  non adoravit eos quia iuvenis erat XIIII annorum. Vidit tamen omnes alios adoraverunt, et ipse testis et omnes alios audiverunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XXVII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo Petri Ademari vidit Mota et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis  Bernardum Arrezat; et Bernardum Iordani; et Willelmam de Cambo, matrem ipsius testis ; et Nazalinus, uxorem quondam Raimundi Mir ;  et dictum Petrum Ademari; et Willelmum de Rovinlho; et Petrum de Guzenx; et Mir de Camlonc seniorem; et Willelmum de Canast. Sed ipse testis non adoravit. Vidit tamen Mir de Camplonc et Petrum de Guzenx et Willelmam, matrem ipsius testis ,  et Bernardum Arrezat adorare. Sed ipse testis et omnes alii audiverunt predicationem eorum et omnes predicte mulieres osculate fuerunt in humero dictum Motas hereticum . Et fuit eodem tempore. Tamen tunc temporis stabant publice.

Item. Dixit quod cum Bernardus Arrezat et Mir Bernardi essent inimici ad invicem Ramundus Bernardi et socium suum, hereticos. Fecerunt pacem inter eos in area  Arnaldi Gras . a Ipse testis erat ibi presens et Mir Bernardus ; et Bernardus Arrezzat; Willelmus Gras; et Arnaldus Gras. Et omnes adoraverunt eos, excepto ipso testis. Et fuit eodem tempore. 2

Item. Dixit quod apud Sanctum Germanium [F°187v]  in quadam area vidit Guiraudum de Gordo et socium suum, hereticos. eet vidit ibi Sichardbum, dominum de c Podio Laurencii ; et  Ramundum de Padens; et Bartas; et Guasbertum de Podio Laurencii; et Guilabertum del Bosquet. Sed ipse testis non  adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum. Sed omnes predicti locuti fuerunt cum dictis hereticis. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item dixit quod apud Podium Laurencii in domo den Romenx vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina ignorat. Et vidit ibi cum eis Sichardum, dominum de Podio Laurencii; et Guausbertum de Podio Laurencii, milites; et Ramundumd Paders;  et Ademarum de Vilanova. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum. Et sunt XXII anni vel circa.

 Item. Apud Saxiacum in domo hereticorum vidit Bartholomeum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Armengaudum de Monte Lauro, militem ; Arnaldum Rainaut; Isarnum Iordani; Willelmum Seguieerii de Laurano; Saissam, uxorem Ermengaudi de Monte Lauro f; Algaiam, uxorem modo Poncii de Villanova . Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum. Item dixit quod omnia predicta fuerunt quando heretici stabant publice per terram de Lauraguesio.

Item. Dixit quod dictum fuit ipsi testis quod heretici erant apud Belfort et ipse testis cum pluribus sociis et Stephano archipresbitero de Lauraco accesserunt illuc et invenerunt unum hereticum et receperunt eum. Et Willelmus Fort, dominus de Bello Forti et de Monte Mauro , clamavit ad arma et fecit fugere alios hereticos qui erant ibi plures. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod cum ipse testis esset puer et heretici starent publice dictos hereticos dabant ipsi testis nuces et faciebant ipsi testis flectere genua et dicere  “Benedicite”« Benedicite ». Et sunt XXXV anni vel circa.

Et fuit confessus aliis inquisitori apud Castrum Novum Darri, quam confessione concedit esse veram. Item dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines quando stabant publice. Et sunt XXXV anni quod primo credidit et sunt XXV anni quod non credidit . Alibi non non vidit hereticos nisi publice nec adoravit nec dedit nec misit nec duxit nec eorum predicationem audivit. Et  audivit hereticos dicentes quod deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod baptismum et matrimonium no valegbunt ad salutem, et quod mortuorum corpora non resurgent. Sed ipse non credidit illis erroribus et tunc recessit ab credulitate hereticorum. Hec deposuit apud Tholosam coram fratribus Bernardo et Johanne, inquisitoribus. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera et obligavit se et sua ad parendum mandatis inquisitoribus et concessit fieri publicum instrumentum. Testes: fratres Willelmus Pelisso et Petrus Barrau, Ordinis Predicatorum ; Arnaldus, prior Sancti Saturnini ;  et Petrus Ariberti, publicus notarius .

  • a exp. et omnes adoraverunt eos excepto ipso testis et fuit eodem tempore
  • b exp. a
  • c exp. d
  • d exp. milites
  • e exp. a
  • f exp. militem
  • g exp. t

[28] Anno and die quo supra1. Bernardus Mir, dominus de Sancto Martino de Landa , requisitus de veritate dicenda de se et[29] de aliis vivis et mortuis super crimine heresis et Valdesie, testis iuratus dixit quod apud Sanctum Martinum in domo Bernardi de[30] Sancto Nazario vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina ignorat et vidit ibi cum eis Bernardum Arrezat, militem contra Arrezat; Stephanum de[31] Fendelha; Willelmum de Rovinhol; Petrum de Guzenx; Petrum Folc; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Sed ipse testis[32] non adoravit eos quia iuvenis erat XIIII annorum. Vidit tamen omnes alios adoraverunt, et ipse testis et omnes alios audiverunt predicationem[33] eorum. Et sunt XXVII anni vel circa. Item. In domo Petri Ademari vidit Mota et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis[34] B[ernardum] Arrezat; et Bernardum Iordani; et Willelmam de Cambo, matrem ipsius testis ; et Nazalinus, uxorem quondam Raimundi Mir ; [35] et dictum Petrum Ademari; et Willelmum de Rovinlho; et Petrum de Guzenx; et Mir de Camlonc seniorem; et Willelmum de[36] Canast. Sed ipse testis non adoravit. Vidit tamen Mir de Camplonc et Petrum de Guzenx et Willelmam, matrem ipsius testis , [37] et Bernardum Arrezat adorare. Sed ipse testis et omnes alii audiverunt predicationem eorum et omnes predicte mulieres osculate fuerunt[38] in humero dictum Motas hereticum . Et fuit eodem tempore. Tamen tunc temporis stabant publice. Item. Dixit quod cum Bernardus Ar[39] rezat et Mir Bernardi essent inimici ad invicem Ramundus B[ernardi] et socium suum, hereticos. Fecerunt pacem inter eos in area[40] Arnaldi Gras . a Ipse testis erat ibi presens et Mir B[ernardus] ; et Bernardus Arrez[41] zat; Willelmus Gras; et Arnaldus Gras. Et omnes adoraverunt eos, excepto ipso testis. Et fuit [eodem] tempore. 2 Item. Dixit quod apud Sanctum Germanium[F°187v] [1] in quadam area vidit Guiraudum de Gordo et socium suum, hereticos. eet vidit ibi Sichardbum, dominum de c Podio Laurencii ; et[2] Ramundum de Padens; et Bartas; et Guasbertum de Podio Laurencii; et Guilabertum del Bosquet. Sed ipse testis non [3] adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum. Sed omnes predicti locuti fuerunt cum dictis hereticis. Et fuit eodem tempore. Item[4] dixit quod apud Podium Laurencii in domo den Romenx vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina ignorat. Et vidit ibi cum[5] eis Sichardum, dominum de Podio Laurencii; et Guausbertum de Podio Laurencii, milites; et Ramundumd Paders; [6] et Ademarum de Vilanova. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum. Et sunt XXII anni vel circa. [7] Item. Apud Saxiacum in domo hereticorum vidit Bartholomeum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Armengaudum de Monte[8] Lauro, militem ; Arnaldum Rainaut; Isarnum Iordani; Willelmum Seguieerii de Laurano; Saissam, uxorem Ermengaudi de[9] Monte Lauro f; Algaiam, uxorem modo Poncii de Villanova . Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audivit predicationem eorum.[10] Item dixit quod omnia predicta fuerunt quando heretici stabant publice per terram de Lauraguesio. Item. Dixit quod dictum fuit[11] ipsi testis quod heretici erant apud Belfort et ipse testis cum pluribus sociis et Stephano archipresbitero de Lauraco accesserunt illuc et[12] invenerunt unum hereticum et receperunt eum. Et Willelmus Fort, dominus de Bello Forti et de Monte Mauro , clamavit ad[13] arma et fecit fugere alios hereticos qui erant ibi plures. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa. Item. Dixit quod cum ipse testis[14] esset puer et heretici starent publice dictos hereticos dabant ipsi testis nuces et faciebant ipsi testis flectere genua et dicere[15] “Benedicite”« Benedicite ». Et sunt XXXV anni vel circa. Et fuit confessus aliis inquisitori apud Castrum Novum Darri, quam confessione concedit esse[16] veram. Item dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines quando stabant publice. Et sunt XXXV anni quod primo credidit et sunt XXV[17] anni quod non credidit . Alibi non non vidit hereticos nisi publice nec adoravit nec dedit nec misit nec duxit nec eorum predicationem audivit. Et[18] audivit hereticos dicentes quod deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod baptismum et matrimonium no valegbunt ad salutem, et quod mor[19] tuorum corpora non resurgent. Sed ipse non credidit illis erroribus et tunc recessit ab credulitate hereticorum. Hec deposuit[20] apud Tholosam coram fratribus Bernardo et Johanne, inquisitoribus. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera et obligavit se et sua ad parendum mandatis[21] inquisitoribus et concessit fieri publicum instrumentum. Testes: fratres Willelmus Pelisso et P[etrus] Barrau, Ordinis Predicatorum ; Arnaldus, prior Sancti Saturnini ; [22] et Petrus Ariberti, publicus notarius .

  • a exp. et omnes adoraverunt eos excepto ipso testis et fuit eodem tempore
  • b exp. a
  • c exp. d
  • d exp. milites
  • e exp. a
  • f exp. militem
  • g exp. t

Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Bernard Mir, dominus of Saint-Martin-Lalande, asked to tell the truth about himself and others, living or dead, regarding the crime of heresy and Waldensianism, said that at Saint-Martin-Lalande, in the house of Bernard de Saint-Nazare, he saw two heretics whose names he did not know. He saw there with them Bernard Arezat, knightcontra Arezat, Esteve de Fendelha, Guilhem de Rovinhol, Peire de Gozens, Peire Folc, and many others who he did not recall. However, the witness did not adore them as he was young, age 14. He did see all the others adore, and the witness and all the others listened to their preaching. This was about 28 years ago.

Item. In the house of Peire Ademar he saw Mota and his companion, heretics. He saw there with them Bernard Arezat, Bernard Jordan, Guilhelma de Campolongo, mother of the witness, Nazalina, wife of the late Raimund Mir, the aforesaid Peire Ademar, Guilhem de Rovinhol, Peire de Gozens, Mir de Campolongo senior, and Guilhem de Canast. However, the witness did not adore. However, he did see Mir de Campolongo, Peire de Gozens, Guilhelma, mother of the witness, and Bernard Arezat adore. However, the witness and everyone else listened to their preaching, and all the aforesaid women were kissed on arm by the aforesaid heretic Mota. This was the same period, when they lived openly.

Item. He said that when Bernard Mir Acezat and Mir Bernard were fighting with one another, Raimund Bernard and his companion, heretics, made peace between them at the farm of Arnald Gras. The witness was present there with Mir Bernard, Bernard Arezat, Guilhem Gras, and Arnald Gras, and everyone except the witness adored them. This was the same period.

Item. He said that at a certain farm in Saint-Martin-Lalande he saw Gerard de Gordo and his companion, heretics. He saw there Sicard, dominum of Puylaurens, Raimund Paders, Barta, Guilabert de Puylaurens, and Guilabert del Bosquet. However the witness did not adore, nor saw adoring, nor listened to their preaching, but all the others spoke with the heretics. This was the same period.

Item. He said that at Pulaurens, in the house of de Roumens, he saw two heretics whose names he did know. He saw there with them Sicard, dominum of Puylaurens, Guilabert de Puylaurens, knight, Raimund Paders, and Ademar de Vilanova. However the witness did not adore, nor saw adoring, nor listened to their preaching. This was about 22 years ago.

Item. He saw at Saissac, in a house of heretics, Bartholemei and his companion, heretics. He saw there with them Armengard de Montlaur, knight, Arnald Rainart, Ysarn Jordan, Guilhem Seguier of Laure, Saissam, wife of Armengard de Montlaur, and Algay, current wife of Pons de Vilanova. However, the witness did not adore, nor saw adoring, nor listed to their preaching. Item. He said that all of the foregoing was during the period when heretics were living openly across the Lauragais.

Item. He said that the witness was told that there were heretics at Belfort and the witness went there with many acquaintances and with Esteve, Archpriest of Laurac, and they found a heretic and received him. Guilhem Fort, dominus of Belfort and of Montmaur, made a call to arms and chased away other heretics who were there. This was about 8 years ago.

Item. He said that when the witness was young and the heretics lived openly, the aforesaid heretics offered the witness nuts and made the witness bend at the knee and say blessings. This was about 35 years ago.

All of this was confessed to the inquisitors at Castelnaudary, a confession he confirmed was true. Item. He said that he believed the heretics to be good men when they still lived openly. He first believed them 35 years ago and stopped believing 25 years ago. He has not seen heretics otherwise else except in public, nor adored, nor gave or sent [them anything], nor led, nor listened to their preaching. He heard the heretics say that God did not make visible things, that baptism and matrimony had no value for salvation, and that dead bodies do not rise. However he did not believe these errors and then withdrew from the beliefs of the heretics. This was given at Toulouse before brothers Bernard and Johan, inquisitors. He abjured heresy and swore, etc., and committed himself and his to the instructions of the inquisitors, and confirmed this is a public document. Witnesses: brothers Guilhem Pelhisson and Peire Barrau; Arnald, prior of Saint-Sernin; and Peire Aribert, public notary.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 187r-187v
  • Document DateDate de document: 1246-06-16
  • GroupGroupe: Saint-Martin-Lalande (2)

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  • Ademar de Vilanova
  • Algay de Villeneuve-la-Comptal
  • Armengard de Montlaur
  • Arnaud Gras
  • Arnaud Auriol, prior of Saint-Sernin
  • Arnaud Rainaut
  • Bartholomei de na Laureta
  • Bernard de Caux, OP, inquisitor
  • Bernard de la Mota
  • Bernard de Saint-Nazare
  • Bernard Jordan
  • Bernard Mir Arezat
  • Bernard Mir
  • den Roumenx
  • Esteve Clavelli, archpriest of Laurac
  • Esteve Fendeille
  • Guilabert de Bosquet
  • Guilabert de Puylaurens
  • Guilhelma de Campolongo
  • Guilhem de Canast
  • Guilhem de Rovinhol
  • Guilhem Fort
  • Guilhem Gras
  • Guilhem Pelhisson, frater ordinis predicatorum
  • Guilhem Seguier
  • Guirald de Gordo
  • heretics in public (stantes/manantes)
  • heretics not named
  • 2 unknown male heretics
  • Johan de Saint-Peire, OP, inquisitor
  • Mir Bernard de Lalanda
  • Mir de Campolongo senior
  • na Azalina Mir
  • many others not named
  • many others unrecalled
  • Peire Ademar
  • Peire Aribert, publicus notarius
  • Peire Barrau, OP
  • Peire de Gozens
  • Peire Folc
  • Pons de Villeneuve-la-Comptal
  • Raimund Barta
  • Raimund Bernard
  • Raimund Mir
  • Raimund Paders
  • Saissam de Montlaur
  • Sicard de Puylaurens
  • Ysarn Jordan

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  • domus of heretics at Saissacdomus des hérétique à Saissac
  • domus of Peire Ademardomus de Peire Ademar
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  • farm at Saint-Germierferme à Saint-Germier
  • open public at Saint-Martin-Lalandeen public à Saint-Martin-Lalande

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