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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0577). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0577, acc. 2020-09-23

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 96
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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  Item. Anno Domini M° CC° XL° V°, III° Nonis Iulii.1 Bonet Forner testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Willelmi Fabri Willelmam de Campo Longo et socias suas, hereticas. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Willelmum Faure et a Stephanum, fratrem ipsius Willelmi Fabri ; et Bernarda, b uxorem Willelmi Fabri . Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas ter flexis genebus dicendo “Benedicite bonae mulieres, orate Deum pro nobis.”« Benedicite bonae mulieres, orate Deum pro nobis. » Et sunt VI anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo Ysarni de Gibel duos hereticos quos non novit. Et vidit ibi Stephanum Fabri, cum quo ivit ipse qui loquitur, et Andrianam, uxorem Ysarni de Gibel . Et ipse testis et dictus Stephanus adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Predictos hereticos credidit esse [F°38v]  bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod Ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit  eos dicentes errores visibilibus quod Deus non feceret ea nec de sacrata hostia nec ipse credidit predictis erroribus. Et sunt VIII anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos sed non stetit in illa credulitatem nisi per duos menses. Et non fuit confessus aliis inquisitoribus.

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[36] Item. Anno Domini M° CC° XL° V°, III° Nonis Iulii.1 Bonet Forner testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Willelmi Fabri Willelmam de Campo[37] Longo et socias suas, hereticas. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Willelmum Faure et a Stephanum, fratrem ipsius Willelmi Fabri ; et Bernarda, b uxorem Willelmi[38] Fabri . Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas ter flexis genebus dicendo “Benedicite bonae mulieres, orate Deum pro nobis.”« Benedicite bonae mulieres, orate Deum pro nobis. » Et sunt VI anni[39] vel circa. Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo Ysarni de Gibel duos hereticos quos non novit. Et vidit ibi Stephanum Fabri, cum quo ivit ipse qui[40] loquitur, et Andrianam, uxorem Ysarni de Gibel . Et ipse testis et dictus Stephanus adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et fuit eodem tempore. Predictos hereticos credidit esse[F°38v] [1] bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod Ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit[2] eos dicentes errores visibilibus quod Deus non feceret ea nec de sacrata hostia nec ipse credidit predictis erroribus. Et sunt VIII anni quod primo credidit[3] hereticos esse bonos sed non stetit in illa credulitatem nisi per duos menses. Et non fuit confessus aliis inquisitoribus.

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Item. Year of the Lord 1245, 3rd Nones of July. The sworn witness Bonet Forner said that he saw in the home of Guilhem Faure Guilhelma de Campolongo and her companion, heretics. He saw there with them Guilhem Faure himself and Esteve, brother of Guilhem Faure, and Bernarda, wife of Guilhem Faure. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there, bending at the knee three times, saying, "Bless us, good women, pray to God for us." This was about 6 years ago.

Item. He said that he saw two heretics who he did not know in the house of Ysarn de Gibel. He saw there the above-mentioned Esteve Faure with whom the witness came, and Andrea, wife of Ysarn de Gibel. The witness and said Esteve adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was the same period.

He believed the above-mentioned heretics to be good men, to have good faith and that one could be saved by them, even though he knew that the Church persecuted them. However, he did not hear them speak errors of visible things, that God did not make them, nor of the holy host, nor did he believe the aforesaid errors. It was 8 years ago when he first believed the heretics to be good, but he did not stay in that belief save for 2 months. He did not confess to other inquisitors.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 38r-38v
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-07-05
  • GroupGroupe: Saint-Martin-Lalande (1)

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  • Andrea de Gibel
  • Bernarda Faure de la Porta
  • Bonet Fornier
  • Esteve Faure
  • Guilhelma de Campolongo
  • Guilhem Faure de la Porta de Forquer
  • 2 unknown male heretics
  • Ysarn de Gibel

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