Deposition - Peire FolcDéposition - Peire Folc

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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0467). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0467, acc. 2021-04-19

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 85
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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  in muro estItem. Anno et die quo supra.1 Petrus Folc testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Ysarni de Gibel Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Ysarnum de Gibel; Raimundum de Lera; Petrum de Camis; Willelmum Forz; Iohannem Cabgas; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt XII anni vel circa. 2

Item. Vidit in domo Willelmi de Sancto Nazario duos hereticos quos non novit. Et vidit ibi Raimundam, uxorem dicti  Willelmi de Sancto Nazario; Willelmum de Gazensc; et Monam; et Aicelinam, ancillam domus. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos ter flexis genibus dicendo “Benedicite boni homines, orate Deum pro nobis.”« Benedicite boni homines, orate Deum pro nobis. » Et sunt IIIIor anni vel circa. 3

Item. Dixit quod ipse testis et Bernardus Alzeus et Arnaldus Andreus [F°33r]  obviaverunt Arnaldo del Prader et socium suum, hereticos, iuxta pratum quod dicitur de Trebolh . Et associaverunt ipsos ultra aquam que dicitur Fesquel . Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt duo anni vel circa.

Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse amicos Dei et veraces licet sciret quod Ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit eos loquentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia. De matrimonium audivit eos loquentes quod  non valebant ad salutem et quod corpora mortuorum non resurgent. Et ipse credidit sicut ipsi dicebant. De hostia nec de baptismus non audivit eos loquentes. Et sunt XII anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos homines sed non credit postquam fecit confessione suam de heresi fratri Ferrario, inquisitori, apud Limos et est annus et dimidius. Et fuit confessus fratribus Willelmo Arnald et Stephano, inquisitoribus, apud Castrum Novum Derri et non dixit veritatem dictis inquisitoribus quia ipse et alii conduxerunt inter se quod non dicerent inquisitoribus veritatem. Et recognovit quod male fecit quia postquam abiuravit heresim et iuravit promisit persequi hereticos, vidit, celavit, et credidit, et adoravit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

[36] in muro estItem. Anno et die quo supra.1 P[etrus] Folc testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Ysarni de Gibel Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis[37] ipsum Ysarnum de Gibel; Raimundum de Lera; P[etrum] de Camis; W[illelmum] Forz; Iohannem Cabgas; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Sed non adoravit[38] nec vidit adorare. Et sunt XII anni vel circa. 2 Item. Vidit in domo Willelmi de Sancto Nazario duos hereticos quos non novit. Et vidit ibi Raimundam, uxorem dicti[39] Willelmi de Sancto Nazario; W[illelmum] de Gazensc; et Monam; et Aicelinam, ancillam domus. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos ter flexis[40] genibus dicendo “Benedicite boni homines, orate Deum pro nobis.”« Benedicite boni homines, orate Deum pro nobis. » Et sunt IIIIor anni vel circa. 3 Item. Dixit quod ipse testis et B[ernardus] Alzeus et Arnaldus Andreus [F°33r] [1] obviaverunt Arnaldo del Prader et socium suum, hereticos, iuxta pratum quod dicitur de Trebolh . Et associaverunt ipsos ultra aquam que dicitur Fesquel .[2] Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt duo anni vel circa. Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse amicos Dei et veraces licet[3] sciret quod Ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit eos loquentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia. De matrimonium audivit eos loquentes quod[4] non valebant ad salutem et quod corpora mortuorum non resurgent. Et ipse credidit sicut ipsi dicebant. De hostia nec de baptismus non audivit eos[5] loquentes. Et sunt XII anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos homines sed non credit postquam fecit confessione suam de heresi fratri Ferrario, inquisitori, apud[6] Limos et est annus et dimidius. Et fuit confessus fratribus Willelmo Arnald et Stephano, inquisitoribus, apud Castrum Novum Derri et non dixit veritatem dictis[7] inquisitoribus quia ipse et alii conduxerunt inter se quod non dicerent inquisitoribus veritatem. Et recognovit quod male fecit quia postquam abiuravit heresim[8] et iuravit promisit persequi hereticos, vidit, celavit, et credidit, et adoravit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

In prison.Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Peire Folc said that he saw in the home of Ysarn de Gibel Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Ysarn de Gibel himself, Raimund de Lera, Peire de Comas, W. Forz, and many others whom he did not recall. But he did not adore nor saw adoring. This was about 12 years ago.

Item. He saw in the home of Guilhem Saint-Nazare two heretics he did not know and he saw there Raimunda, wife of the aforesaid Guilhem Saint-Nazare, Guilhem de Gozens, Mossa, and Aceylina, maid of the house. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there, bending at the knee three times saying, "Bless us good men, pray to God for us." This was about 4 years ago.

Item. He said that he, Bernard Alzeu, and Arnald Andree met Arnald Prader and his companion, heretics, next to a meadow called de Trebolh and they accompanied them beyond Fesquel River. But he did not adore nor saw adoring. This was about 2 years ago.

He believed the heretics to be good men, to have good faith, to be friends of God and true, even though he knew that the Church persecuted them. But he did not hear them say that God did not create visible things. He did hear them say that matrimony was worth nothing for salvation and that the bodies of the dead do not rise. He did not hear them speak of the holy host nor of baptism. He first believed in them 12 years ago and stopped believing after making his confession of heresy to brother Ferrier at Limoux about one and half years ago. He also confessed to the brothers Guilhem Arnald and Esteve, inquisitors, at Castelnaudary, and he did not tell the them the truth as he and everyone else agreed to not tell the truth to the inquisitors. He recognized that he did a wicked thing as after he abjured heresy and swore and promised to persecute heretics, he saw, hid, believed and adored heretics. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: as stated before.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 32v-33r
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-05-30
  • GroupGroupe: Saint-Martin-Lalande (1)

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  • Arnaud Andree
  • Arnaud Prader
  • Aycelina, ancilla
  • Bernard Alzeu
  • Bertrand Marti
  • Esteve de Saint-Thibéry, Franciscan, inquisitor
  • Ferrier, frater ordinis predicatorum, inquisitor
  • Guilhem Arnaud, OP
  • Guilhem de Gozens
  • Guilhem de Saint-Nazare
  • Guilhem Forz
  • 2 unknown male heretics
  • Johan Cabrigas
  • Mossa
  • many others unrecalled
  • Peire de Comas senior
  • Peire Folc
  • Raimund de Lera
  • Raimunda de Saint-Nazare
  • Ysarn de Gibel

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  • Castelnaudary
  • domus of Guilhem de Saint-Nazaredomus de Guilhem de Saint-Nazare
  • domus of Ysarn Gibeldomus de Ysarn Gibel
  • Fesquel springs/waterssource de Fesquel
  • journey
  • meadows at Trebolhprairie de Trebolh

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