Deposition - Jordan de QuirièsDéposition - Jordan de Quiriès

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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0204). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0204, acc. 2020-09-30

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 41-42
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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 Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 Jordanus de Quiders, domicellus , testis iuratus dixit quod vidit apud Montem Securum   Gilabert de Castras et Bertrandum Marti. Et vidit ibi cum eis P. Vitalis, servientem Petri Rogger. Et  ipse testis et dictus P. Vidal adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos ter flexis genibus dicendo, “Benedicite probi homines orate Deum pro nobis.”« Benedicite probi homines orate Deum pro nobis. » Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.

Item. Vidit in vinea Willelmi Vital vel Petri Vital Bernardum de Maire vila et socium suum, [F°18r]  hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Arnaldum Godalh; et Guailhardum del Mas; et Bernardum Aychart; et Poncium Ademar. Et ipse  testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VI anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit Arnaldum Prader et socium suum, hereticos, in domo  a ipsius testis quos duxerant ibi Iordanus del Mas iunior et Arnaldum Godalh ipso testi nescienti, et iacuerunt ibi illa nocte. Et ipse testis adoravit eos. Et in crastinum comederunt in domo Raimundi de Quiders , fratris ipsius testis. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Raimundum de Quiders; et Willelmam Meta, matrem ipsius testis; et Arnaldum Godalh. Sed non adoravit nec adorare vidit. De tempore non recolit, sed in alia confessione est tempus scriptum.

Item. Vidit Willelmum Vital et socium suum, hereticos, in domo Poncii Gran . Et vidit ibi Iordanum del Mas, avunculum ipsius testis ; Poncium Dalamanels; et Poncium Barrau; et Poncium Gran. Et ipse testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos sed non vidit alios adoraverunt. Et sunt VII anni vel circa. 2

Item. Vidit predictos hereticos in quodam loco qui dicitur Radels . et vidit ibi cum eis Gualhardum Amielh; et Arnaldum Godalh; et Companher; et Poncium Raynart; et Willelmum de Rozenge; et Poncium Guarnier; et Arnaldum Lapassa qui dicitur Nadal; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VII anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod ipse testis et Iordanus del Mas et Poncium Barrau et Arnaldum Garnier duxerunt Arnaldum Pradier et socium suum, hereticos, de domo Bernardi Fabri usque ad domum Willelmi Vitalis . Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt VI anni vel circa.

Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et amicos die et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit eos dicentes errores de visibilibus quos deus non fecerat ea, de baptismo, de matrimonio, de hostia sacrata, non audivit eos loquentes.  Et sunt XIIII anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos sed non credidit IIIIor anni sunt. Predicta omnia fuit confessus fratri Ferrario  apud Limos et plura alia de quibus modo non recolit sed omnia credit esse vera. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

  • a  supp. in domo

[32] Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 Jordanus de Quiders, domicellus , testis iuratus dixit quod vidit apud Montem Securum [33] Gilabert de Castras et Bertrandum Marti. Et vidit ibi cum eis P. Vitalis, servientem Petri Rogger. Et[34] ipse testis et dictus P. Vidal adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos ter flexis genibus dicendo, “Benedicite probi homines orate Deum[35] pro nobis.”« Benedicite probi homines orate Deum[35] pro nobis. » Et sunt VIII anni vel circa. Item. Vidit in vinea Willelmi Vital vel Petri Vital B[ernardum] de Maire vila et socium suum,[F°18r] [1] hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Arnaldum Godalh; et Guailhardum del Mas; et B[ernardum] Aychart; et Poncium Ademar. Et ipse[2] testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VI anni vel circa. Item. Dixit quod vidit Arnaldum Prader et socium suum, hereticos, in domo[3] a ipsius testis quos duxerant ibi Iordanus del Mas iunior et Arnaldum Godalh ipso testi nescienti, et iacuerunt[4] ibi illa nocte. Et ipse testis adoravit eos. Et in crastinum comederunt in domo Raimundi de Quiders , fratris ipsius testis.[5] Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Raimundum de Quiders; et Willelmam Meta, matrem ipsius testis; et Arnaldum Godalh. Sed non adoravit nec[6] adorare vidit. De tempore non recolit, sed in alia confessione est tempus scriptum. Item. Vidit W[illelmum] Vital et socium suum, hereticos, in[7] domo Poncii Gran . Et vidit ibi Iordanum del Mas, avunculum ipsius testis ; P[oncium] Dalamanels; et P[oncium] Barrau; et Poncium[8] Gran. Et ipse testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos sed non vidit alios adoraverunt. Et sunt VII anni vel circa. 2 Item. Vidit predictos hereticos in[9] quodam loco qui dicitur Radels . et vidit ibi cum eis Gualhardum Amielh; et Arnaldum Godalh; et Companher; et Poncium[10] Raynart; et W[illelmum] de Rozenge; et Poncium Guarnier; et Arnaldum Lapassa qui dicitur Nadal; et plures alios de quibus non[11] recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VII anni vel circa. Item. Dixit quod ipse testis et Iordanus del[12] Mas et P[oncium] Barrau et Arnaldum Garnier duxerunt Arnaldum Pradier et socium suum, hereticos, de domo B[ernardi] Fabri usque ad domum Willelmi[13] Vitalis . Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt VI anni vel circa. Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam[14] fidem et amicos die et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos. Sed non audivit eos dicentes[15] errores de visibilibus quos deus non fecerat ea, de baptismo, de matrimonio, de hostia sacrata, non audivit eos loquentes. [16] Et sunt XIIII anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos sed non credidit IIIIor anni sunt. Predicta omnia fuit confessus fratri Ferrario [17] apud Limos et plura alia de quibus modo non recolit sed omnia credit esse vera. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

  • a  supp. in domo

Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Jordan de Quiders, domicellus, said that he saw Guilabert de Castre and Bertrand Marti at Montségur, and he saw there with them P. Vidal, servientem of Peire Roger. The witness and aforesaid P. Vidal adored the aforesaid heretics there, bending three times at the knee saying, "Bless us, good men, pray to God for us." This was about 8 years ago.

Item. He saw Bernard de Mairevilla and his companion, heretics, in the vineyards of Guilhem Vidal or Peire Vidal, and he saw there with them Arnald Godalh, Galhard del Mas, Bernard Aichart, and Pons Adamar. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was about 6 years ago.

Item. He said that he saw Arnald Prader and his companion, heretics, in his own home. They were brought there by Jordan del Mas and Arnald Godalh, the witness himself not knowing, and they stayed there that night. And the witness adored them. The next day they ate at the home of Raimund de Quiders, brother of the witness and he saw with them Raimund de Quiders, Guilhelma Meta, mother of the witness, and Arnald Godalh. But he did not adore nor saw adoring. He did not recall when this was. But in another confession the period was written down.

Item. He saw Guilhem Vidal and his companion, heretics, in the house of Pons Gran, and he saw there Jordan del Mas, uncle of the witness, Pons dels Amanielhs, Pons Barrau, and Pons Gran. The witness adored the aforesaid heretics there, but he did not see others adore. This was about 7 years ago.

Item. He saw the abovementioned heretics in some place called Lo Radel, and saw there with them Galhard Amelh, Arnald Godalh, Companh, Pons Rainart, Guilhem de Rosengue, Pons Garnier, and Arnald Lapassa who is called Nadal, and many others whom he did not recall. The witness and everyone there adored the aforesaid heretics. This was about 7 years ago.

Item. He said that he, Jordanet del Mas, Pons Barrau and Arnald Godalh brought Arnald Prader and his companion, heretics, from the home of Bernard Fabri de Castilho to the house of Guilhem Vidal, but he did not adore nor saw adoring. This was about 6 years ago.

He believed the aforementioned heretics to be good men and to have good faith and friends of God and one could be saved by them, even though he knew that the Church persecuted them. But he did not hear them speak errors of the visible things, that God did not make it, he did not hear them speak of baptism, of matrimony or of the holy host. He first believed the heretics to be good 14 years ago, and stopped believing 4 years ago. All the aforesaid was confessed to brother Ferrier at Limoux, among many other things which he did not recall, but all he believed to be true. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: as stated before.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 17v-18r
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-05-13
  • GroupGroupe: Mas-Saintes-Puelles (1)

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  • Arnaud Garnier
  • Arnaud Godalh
  • Arnaud Lapassa Nadal
  • Arnaud Prader
  • Bernard Aichart
  • Bernard de Mayreville
  • Bernard Faure de Castilho
  • Bertrand Marti
  • Companh Gaufred
  • Ferrier, frater ordinis predicatorum, inquisitor
  • Galhard Amelh
  • Galhard del Mas
  • Guilabert de Castres
  • Guilhelmeta del Mas
  • Guilhem de Rosengue
  • Guilhem Vidal
  • Guilhem Vidal
  • Jordan de Quiriès
  • Jordan del Mas
  • many others unrecalled
  • Peire Vidal
  • Peire Roger de Mirepoix
  • Peire Vidal
  • Pons Ademar
  • Pons Barrau
  • Pons dels Amanielhs
  • Pons Garnier
  • Pons Gran
  • Pons Rainart
  • Raimund de Quiriès

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  • domus of Bernard Faure de Castilhodomus de Bernard Faure de Castilho
  • domus of Guilhem and Segura Vidaldomus de Guilhem et Segura Vidal
  • domus of Jordan de Quidersdomus de Jordan de Quiders
  • domus of Pons Grandomus de Pons Gran
  • domus of Raimund de Quidersdomus de Raimund de Quiders
  • journey
  • Limoux
  • Lo Radel
  • Montségur
  • vineyard_vidal

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