Deposition - Raimund AmelhDéposition - Raimund Amelh

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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0137). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0137, acc. 2020-09-23

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 27
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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  Sororium Arnaldi Picrel Item. Anno et die predictis.1 Raimundus Amelii testis iuratus dixit quod vidit apud Mansum in domo Bernardi de Sancto Andrea Johannem Cambitorem et alios tres hereticos quorum nomina ignorat. Et vidit ibi cum eis Bernardum de Manso et Iordanum de Manso et  Aribertum de Manso, milites; et Roggerium Sartorem; et Arnaldum Godal; et Ptrum de Sancto Andrea et Susannam, uxorem eius; et Poncium Barrau; et Willelmum Vitalis; et Willelmum Gasc; et Garnerium et filium dicti Garnerii, medicum; et alios plures usque ad LXX et amplius. Et omnes et ipse testis adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XIII anni vel circa. Et in crastinum associavit predictos hereticos extra villam.

 Item. Vidit apud Mansum in domo Willelmi Vitalis Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Willelmum Vitalis et Seguram, uxorem eius; et Galhardum Amelii, fratrem ipsius testis; et Ramundum Alamans iuvenem. Et omnes et ipse testis adoravit ibi  dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XII anni vel circa. Alibi numquam vidit hereticos nisi captos.

Item. Dixit se a  credidisse hereticos esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse veraces et amicos Dei et posse salvari per ipsos. Et audivit hereticos loquentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod baptismus aque nichil valet, et quod hostia sacrata non est corpus Christi, et quod in matrimonio non est salus, et quod mortui non resurgent. Et ipse testis credidit sicut ipsi dicebant  et sunt XV anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et sunt X anni quod non credidit. Et fuit confessus apud Limosum   fratri Ferrario et postea non vidit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresium et iuravit et cetera. Testes predicti.

  • a exp. cred

[17] Sororium Arnaldi Picrel Item. Anno et die predictis.1 Raimundus Amelii testis iuratus dixit quod vidit apud Mansum in domo Bernardi de Sancto Andrea Johannem Cam[18] bitorem et alios tres hereticos quorum nomina ignorat. Et vidit ibi cum eis B[ernardum] de Manso et Iordanum de Manso et[19] Aribertum de Manso, milites; et Roggerium Sartorem; et Arnaldum Godal; et P[trum] de Sancto Andrea et Susannam, uxorem[20] eius; et Poncium Barrau; et W[illelmum] Vitalis; et W[illelmum] Gasc; et Garnerium et filium dicti Garnerii, medicum; et alios[21] plures usque ad LXX et amplius. Et omnes et ipse testis adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XIII[22] anni vel circa. Et in crastinum associavit predictos hereticos extra villam. [23] Item. Vidit apud Mansum in domo Willelmi Vitalis Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis W[illelmum] Vitalis et Se[24] guram, uxorem eius; et Galhardum Amelii, fratrem ipsius testis; et Ramundum Alamans iuvenem. Et omnes et ipse testis adoravit ibi [25] dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XII anni vel circa. Alibi numquam vidit hereticos nisi captos. Item. Dixit se a [26] credidisse hereticos esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse veraces et amicos Dei et posse salvari per ipsos.[27] Et audivit hereticos loquentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod baptismus aque nichil valet, et quod hostia sacrata non est[28] corpus Christi, et quod in matrimonio non est salus, et quod mortui non resurgent. Et ipse testis credidit sicut ipsi dicebant[29] et sunt XV anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et sunt X anni quod non credidit. Et fuit confessus apud Limosum [30] fratri Ferrario et postea non vidit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresium et iuravit et cetera. Testes predicti.

  • a exp. cred

Brother-in-law of Arnald PicrelhItem. Year and day as before. The sworn witness Raimund Amelh said that he saw Johan Cambiaire and three other heretics whose names he did not know at Mas-Saintes-Puelles in the house of Bernard Saint-Andrea, and the witness saw there with them the knights Bernard del Mas, Jordan del Mas, and Aribert del Mas, and Roger Sartre, Arnald Godalh, Peire Cap-de-Porc and his wife Susanna, and Pons Barrau, Guilhem Vidal, Guilhem Gasc, Garnier and the son of Garnier, doctor, and many others up to 70 or more. Everyone and the witness adored the aforementioned heretics there and listened to their preaching. This was about 13 years ago. The next day the witness accompanied the aforementioned heretics outside the village.

Item. The witness saw at Mas-Saintes-Puelles in the house of Guilhem Vidal Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Guilhem Vitalis and his wife Segura, and Guallard Amelh, brother of the witness, and Raimund Aleman junior. Everyone and the witness adored the aforementioned heretics and listened to their preaching. This was about 12 years ago. The witness has not seen heretics otherwise except as prisoners.

Item. The witness said he believed the heretics to be good men, to have good faith, to be true, friends of God and one could be saved by them. He heard them say that God did not create visible things, that baptism by water means nothing, that the holy host is not the body of Christ, that there is no salvation in marriage, and that the dead will not rise. And the witness believed in what they said and it was 15 years ago that he first believed the heretics to be good men and it was 10 years ago that he stopped believing such. This was confessed at Limoux to brother Ferrier and he has not seen heretics since. The witness abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: as stated above.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 10v
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-07-01
  • GroupGroupe: Mas-Saintes-Puelles (1)

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  • Aribert del Mas
  • Arnaud Godalh
  • Arnaud Picrelh
  • Bernard Saint-André
  • Bernard del Mas senior
  • Bertrand Marti
  • Ferrier, frater ordinis predicatorum, inquisitor
  • Galhard Amelh
  • Garnier senior
  • Guilhem Garnier
  • Guilhem Gasc
  • Guilhem Vidal
  • heretics, names not remembered
  • Johan Cambiaire
  • Jordan del Mas
  • many others unrecalled
  • Peire Saint-André
  • Pons Barrau
  • Raimund Aleman junior
  • Raimund Amelh
  • Roger Sartre
  • Segura Vidal
  • Susanna Saint-André

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  • domus of Bernard and Peire de Saint-André (Cap-de-Porc)domus de Bernard et Peire de Saint-André (Cap-de-Porc)
  • domus of Guilhem and Segura Vidaldomus de Guilhem et Segura Vidal
  • Limoux

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