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quere additionem istius in IIIIo folioItem. Anno et die quo supra.1Stephanus Fabri testis iuratus dixit quod viditWillelmum Arnaldi et Petrum Arnaldi, hereticos, in domo Ysarni de Gibel . Et vidit ibi cum eis Willelmam Forneriam et Arnaldum Forner, filium eius; et Bonet; Raimundum Vilardi; Bernardum Martini seniorem; Petrum Amiel; et Bernardum Martini juniorem; et Andruam, uxorYsarni de Gibel; et ipsum Ysarnum. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos ter flexis genibus dicendo, “Benedicte boni homines, orate Deum pro nobis.”Et sunt V anni vel circa.

Non fuit confessus tempore gratieItem. Vidit in domo Willelmi de Sancto Nazario Bertrandum Marti et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Poncium Mir et Willelmam de Campo Longo, matrem Poncii Mir; et Raimundam, uxor Willelmi de Sancto Nazario ; et Sardanam, uxor Raimundi Poncii ; et Cerdanam, uxor Mir de La Landa ; et ipsum Mirum de La Landa; et Bernardum Alzeu; et Ysarnum de Gibel; et Petrum Amielh; Stephanum Vilela; Raimundum Clavel. Et ipse testis et omnes alii audierunt predicationem hereticorum ibi et adoraverunt eos. Et sunt VI anni vel circa.

Item dixit quod vidit in domo sua Willelmam de Campo Longo et sociam suam, hereticas. Et vidit ibi cum eis Bernardum Alzeus, qui duxit ibi dictas hereticas; et Arnaldum Forner et Bonet Forner, fratres; Poncium Travers. Et tunc ipse testis dixit dicto Bernardo Alzeu quod eieceret dictas  hereticas de domo ipsius testis, quod et fecit. Et tradidit eas Poncio Travers qui duxit eas ad domum suam. Et ipse testis associavit eas usque ad domum Poncii Travers. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas. Et sunt IIIIor anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit Raimundum Iaules et Petrum Bonet, hereticos, in domo ipsium testis. Et vidit ibi Bernardum Alzeus; et Petrum Fabri et Arnaldum Fabri, fratrem eiusdem testis; et Martinum de Vireralh et Raimundum de Virarelh, avunculos ipsius testis; Iordanum Hugole; Arnaldum Andru; et Willelmum Fabri,   fratrem ipsius testis, qui iacebat infirmus. Et tunc dicti heretici volebant hereticare dictum infirmum, sed non poterat loqui. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt IIII anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo Petrus Amielh Adam et Petrum Arnaldi, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsem Amiel et Petronam Amielha, sororem dicti Petri Amielh . Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.

Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod ecclesia perseqeuretur eos  romana. Set non audivit hereticos dicentes errores de visibilibus quod Deus non fecerat ea. De hostia sacrata, de baptismo, de matrimonio, nec [F°31v]  de resurrectione carnis, non audivit eos loquentes, sed bene audivit ab capellano suo quod hereticos dicebant errores. Sed ipse testis non credidit  predictis erroribus. Et sunt X anni vel circa quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos hominessed non credidit annus est elapsus idestpostquam fecit confessione  sua de  {   } fratri Ferrario apud Limos. Sed non fuit confessus fratri Willelmo Arnaldi nec habuit penitentiam.

Dixit etiam quod ipse ivit apud Sanctum Papolum cum Hysarno de Gibel; et Bernardo Alzeu; Arnaldo Forner; et Raimundo Forner; et Petro Fabri, fratre ipsius testis; et Iordano Ugole;  et pluribus aliis usque ad X et VIII, in universo cum armis. Sed ipse testis non ivit cum predictis pro salvandis hereticis. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: Arnaldus, prior Sancti Saturnini; Arnaldus Cerda; Petrus Fresapa; et frater Bernardus, inquisitor.2

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Find more of him in the 4th folio.Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Esteve Faure said that he saw Guilhem Arnald and Peire Arnald, heretics, in the house of Ysarn de Gibel and he saw there with them Guilhelma Forner and Arnald Forner, her son, Bonet, and Raimund Villard, Bernard Martin senior, and Peire Amielh, and Bernard Martin junior, and Andrea, wife of Ysarn de Gibel, and Ysarn himself. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there, bending three times at the knee, saying, "Bless us good men, pray to God for us." This was about 5 years ago.

Did not confess in the grace period.Item. He saw in the house of Guilhem Saint-Nazare Bertrand Martini and his companions, heretics, and he saw there with them Pons Mir, Guilhelma de Campolongo mother of Pons Mir, Raimunda, wife of Guilhem Saint-Nazare, and Sardana, wife of Raimund Pons, and Cerdana, wife of Mir de Lalanda, and Mir de Lalanda himself, Bernard Alzeu, Ysarn de Gibel, Peire Amielh, Esteve Vilela, and Raimund Clavel. The witness and everyone else listened to the heretics' preaching there and adored them. This was about 6 years ago.

Item. He said that he saw in his own house Guilhelma de Campolongo and her companions, heretics, and he saw there with them Bernard Alzeu, who brought the aforesaid heretics there, and Arnald Forner and Benet Forner, brothers, and Pons Travers. And then the witness told the aforesaid Bernard Alzeu to rush the heretics out, which was done. He handed them over to Pons Travers who brought them to his house, and the witness accompanied them to Pons Travers' house. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was about 4 years ago.

Item. He said that he saw Raimund Jaules and Peire Bonet, heretics, in the witness' own house and saw there Bernard Alzeu, and Peire Fabri and Arnald Fabri, brothers of the witness, and Martin de Verazilh and Raimund de Verazilh, uncles of the witness, and Jordan Hugole, Arnald Andree, Guilhem Fabri, brother of the witness, who was lying ill. And then the aforesaid heretics wanted to hereticate the aforesaid invalid, but he was not able to speak. The witness and the others adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was about 4 years ago.

Item. He said that he saw in the house of Peire Amielh Raimund Adam and Peire Arnald, heretics, and he saw there with them Amielh himself, and Peirona Amielh, sister of the said Peire Amielh. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was 8 years ago.

Item. He believed the above-mentioned heretics to be good men, to have good faith and that one could be saved by them, even though he knew that the Church persecuted them. But he did not hear them speak errors of visible things, that God did not make them. He did not hear them speak of the holy host, or of baptism, or of matrimony, nor of bodily resurrection; but he did hear his chaplain speak of the errors that heretics speak, but he did not believe the aforesaid errors. It was about 10 years ago when he first believed the heretics to be good men, but he stopped believing the year before, that is after he confessed to brother Ferrier, at Limoux. But he did not confess to brother Guilhem Arnald, nor had penance.

Item. He said as well that he went to Saint-Papoul Abbey with Ysarn de Gibel, Bernard Alzeu, Arnald Forner, Raimund Forner, and Peire Faure, brother of the witness, and Jordan Hugole, and many others up to 18, all bearing arms. But the witness himself did not go with them in order to save heretics. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: Arnald, prior of Saint-Sernin; Arnald Cerda; Peire Fresapa; and brother Bernard, inquisitor.