MS609-0233 : Deposition - Flor del MasMS609-0233 : Déposition - Flor del Mas

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Item. Anno et die quo supra.1Na Flors, uxor Gaulhardi de Manso , testis iurata dixit quod vidit Bertrandum Martini et socium suum hereticos in domo Willelmi Vitalis . Et vidit ibi cum eis Na Saurimundam, uxorem Bernardi del Mas; et dictum Willelmum Vitalis; et Arnaldum Godalh;  et uxorem dicti Willelmi Vitalis. Et ipsa testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XII anni vel circa prout credit sed non bene recolit de tempore.

Item. In domo Raimundi de Quiders vidit dictum Bertrandum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Arnaldum Godal et dictum Raimundum de Quiders. Et ipsa testis et Arnaldum Godalh adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos sed dictus Raimundus de Quiders non adoravit eos ibi quia balneabat se. Et fuit circa predictum tempus prout credit.2

Item. In domo Bertrandi de Quiders  vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina non recolit et vidit ibi cum eis Bertrandum de Quiders et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipsa testis adoravit eos ibi sed non vidit alios adorare. Sed ipsa testis et omnes alii audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XIIII anni.

Item. In domo Willelmi de Canast Bru vidit dictum Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos, et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Willelmuma de Canast et Iordanum del Mas; et Garnerium et filium ipsius Garnerii; Poncium; et Raimundam uxorem Bernardi Barrau; et Arnaldum Godalh. Et ipsa  testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt X anni.

Item. In domo Poncii Gran vidit Pradar et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Iordanetum del Mas et Arnaldum Godalh. Et ipsa testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Fuit  circa predictum tempus.

Item. Dixit quod non credidit firmiter hereticos esse bonos homines sed quandoque credidit ipsos esse bonos et quandoque discredebat.  Et audivit hereticos dicentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia et quod hostia sacrata non esse corpus et quod matrimonio  non valet et quod carnis resurrectio non erat sed ipsa testis non credidit eis super hoc.

Item. Dixit quod vidit Raimundam, matrem ipsius  testis, hereticam, et sociam suam publice manentes apud Belpugin domo ipsius Raimunde, matris ipsius testis , quae rogavit pluries  ipsam testem quod faceret se hereticam quod ipsa testis noluit facere. Et postea fuit dicta mater ipsius testis conversa ad fidem  nostram et fuit reconciliata per Mascharo quondam praepositum Tholosanum. Et postea fuit relapsa dicta mater ipsius testis in heresim et fuit facta heretica iterum. Et dixit quod nunquam adoravit dictam matrem suam. Et sunt XX anni vel circa.

Et fuit confessa aliis inquisitoribus apud Limos quam confessione credidit esse veram et post illam confessione non vidit hereticos nec misit eos aliquid. Alibi non vidit hereticos quod recolat nec credidit nec adoravit nec dedit nec misit nec eorum predicationem audivit.

Item. Misit Bernardo de Maire Vila, heretico, panem et vinum per Arnaldum Godalh. Et sunt XX anni.

Et recognovit quod male fecit  quia postquam fuit reconciliata in generali reconciliatione terre et abiuravit heresim vidit hereticos et celavit et credidit. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Recognovit etiam quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et credidit erroribus heresibus  supradictis. Sed non credidit VI anni sunt et sunt XVIII anni quod primo credidit hereticos. Testes predicti.

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Item. Year and day as above. The witness Flor, wife of Galhard del Mas, said that she saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Guilhem Vidal and she saw with them Na Saramunda, wife of Bernard del Mas, and the aforesaid Guilhem Vidal, and Arnald Godalh, and the wife of said Guilhem Vitalis. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was about 12 years ago or so she believed, but she did not recall the period exactly.

Item. She saw the aforesaid Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Raimund de Quiders, and she saw there with them Arnald Godalh, and the aforesaid Raimund de Quiders. The witness and Arnald Godalh adored the aforesaid heretics there, but Raimund de Quiders did not adore them there as he was bathing. This was around the same time as above so she believed.

Item. She saw two heretics whose names she did not recall in the house of Bertrand de Quiders, and she saw there with them Bertrand de Quiders and many others she did not recall. The witness adored them there, but she did not see the others adore. However the witness and everyone else listened to their preaching. This was 14 years ago.

Item. She saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Guilhem Canast-Bru, and she saw with them Raimund Canast, Jordan del Mas, Garnier and the sone of Garnier, Pons, and Raimunda, wife of Bernard Barrau, and Arnald Godalh. The witness and everyone else adored the said heretics there. This was 10 years ago.

Item. She saw Prader and his companion, heretics, in the house of Pons Gran, and she saw there with them Jordanet del Mas and Arnald Godalh. The witness and everyone else adored the said heretics there. This was the same period as above.

Item. She said that she did not strongly believe the heretics to be good men, but at times believed them good and at times she did not believe such. She heard heretics say that God did not create visible things and that the holy host is not the body [of Christ], and that matrimony has no value, and that there is no bodily resurrection. However, the witness did not believe these things above.

Item. She said that she saw her mother Raimunda, heretic, and her companion, living openly at Belpech in Raimunda's own house, and her mother asked her many times to become a heretic, but the witness was unwilling to do so. Later the aforesaid mother of the witness was converted to our faith and was reconciled by Mascharo, a certain provost [of the church] of Toulouse. After that, the witness' mother lapsed again into heresy and was made a heretic again. She said that she never adored her mother. This was about 20 years ago.

Item. All of this was confessed to the inquisitors at Limoux, such confession she believed to be the truth. After that confession she did not see heretics, nor gave them anything. She did not see heretics anywhere else that she recalled, nor believed, nor adored, nor gave or sent [them anything], nor listened to their preaching.

Item. She sent Bernard de Mairevilla, heretic, bread and wine via Arnald Godalh. This was 20 years ago.

She recognized that she did a wicked thing as she was reconciled, and abjured heretics, she saw, hid, and believed heretics. She abjured heresy and swore, etc. She recognized as well that she had believed the heretics to be good men and to have good faith, and that she had believed the heretical errors above. She stopped believing 6 years ago, and it was 18 years ago that she first believed. Witnesses: as stated before.