MS609-0192 : Deposition - Pons GautaMS609-0192 : Déposition - Pons Gauta

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Item. Anno et die quo supra.1Poncius Gauta testis iuratus dixit quod in loco qui dicitur Radel vidit Willelmum Vitalis et socium suum, hereticos.  Et vidit ibi cum eis Arnaldus Godal; Gualhardum Amielh; Iordanum de Quiders; Poncium Barrau; Willelmum Germa; Poncium Gran; Poncium Rainart; Poncium Garnier; Arnaldum Lapassa Nadal; Willelmum de Rozenge; Nalbaric2; Petrum Capud Porci; Willelmum Aymer; Companh. Et ipse testis et omnes predicti adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt IIIIor anni vel circa. Et exinde ipse testis et Willelmus Aymer et Willemus de Rozenge duxerunt dictos hereticos usque ad vineam den Ferrat et ibi receperunt eos Boquet de Vila Nova et quidam alius quem non novit.

Item. Dixit quod ipse testis et Godal et Poncius Gran associaverunt ahereticos, nomina quorum ignorat, de domo ipsius testisusque ad merchadalium, sed ipse testis non adoravit tunc dictos hereticos nec vidit alios adorare. Et hoc fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Vidit duos hereticosin domo Poncii Gran et exinde ipse testis et dictus Poncius Gran et Poncius Rainart et Guodal associaverunt dictos hereticos usque ad portam den Casteilho, et tunc ipse testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos et vidit alios adorare. Et hoc fuit eodem tempore.

Item Vidit hereticosstantes publice in terra. Et sunt XXX anni vel circa. Alibi non vidit hereticos.

Item dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse veraces et amicos Dei. Et audivit hereticos dicentes quod deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod hostia sacrata non est corpus Christi, et quod baptismus aque nihil valet, et quod in matrimonio non est salus, et ipse testis credidit omnibus predictis erroribus. Et sunt IIIIor anni quod primo credidit hereticos et sunt tres anni et dimidius quod non credidit. Item. Dixit quod omnia ista fuerunt ante confessionem quam fecit fratri Ferrario. Post dictam confessionem non vidit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: Arnaldus, prior Sancti Saturnini; et magister Petrus de Caramanh; et frater Bernardus, inquisitor.

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Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Pons Gauta said that at a place called Lo Radel he saw Guilhem Vidal and his companion, heretics, and saw there with them Arnald Godalh, Guallard Amelh, Jordan de Quiders, Pons Barrau, Guilhem German, Pons Gran, Pons Rainart, Pons Garnier, Arnald Lapassa Nadal, Guilhem de Rosengue, [Peire] Albaric, Peire Cap-de-Porc, Guilhem Ayner, and Companh. The witness and all the aforementioned adored the aforesaid heretics there and listened to their preaching. This was about 4 years ago. And afterwards the witness and Guilhem Ayner and Guilhem de Rosengue lead the heretics to the vineyards of den Ferrat where they were received by Boquet de Vilanova and some others whom he did not know.

Item. He said that he himself and Arnald Godalh and Pons Gran accompanied two heretics whose names he did not know from his house to the market, but the witness himself did not adore the aforesaid heretics there nor saw others adore. This was the same period.

Item. He saw two heretics in the house of Pons Gran and afterwards the witness and the aforesaid Pons Gran, and Pons Rainart, and Arnald Godalh accompanied the aforementioned heretics to Casteilho gates, and then the witness himself adored the said heretics there and saw others adore. This was the same period.

Item. He saw heretics living openly in public, and this was about 30 years ago. Thereafter he did not see heretics.

Item. He said that he believed heretics to be good men and to have good faith and friends of God. He heard heretics say that God did not make visible things, and that the holy host is not the body of Christ, and that baptism by water is worth nothing, and that matrimony does not save, and the witness himself believed all of the aforementioned errors. It was four years ago that he first believed the heretics and three and a half years ago that he stopped believing. Item. He said that all the foregoing were in the confession made to brother Ferrier. Since the aforesaid confession he did not see heretics. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: Arnald, prior of Saint-Sernin; magister Peire de Caramanh; and brother Bernard de Caux, inquisitor.