MS609-0182 : Deposition - Garnier seniorMS609-0182 : Déposition - Garnier senior

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Item. Anno et die quo supra.1Guarnier testis iuratus dixit quod vidit pluries plures hereticos publice apud Mansum, et apud Airos,  et apud Montem Maurum, et apud Castrumnovum, et apud Laurac, et apud Montem Ferrandum, et emit eis et  vendidit eis. Et pluries adoraverunt eos et vidit eos pluries in domo patris ipsius testis et tociens vidit eos et adoravit et in tot locis quod non recordatur, et tot personas vidit cum eis quod non recolit. Et sunt XL anni vel circa.

Item. In domo ipsius testis venit Petrum Bolbena et socium suum, hereticos, ad ipsum testem infirmum et predicaverunt ipsum. Et erant in domo cum hereticos uxor ipsius testis et Willelmus VitalisetStephanus de Rozenge. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare, et fuerunt ibi dictos hereticos per noctem. Et sunt XVIII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo Petri Capud Porci vidit Iohannem Cambitorem et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi Bernardum del Mas et Iordanum Palazi, milites et fratres; et Petrum Amiel et Petrum Galtarii seniorem; et Companhium. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare, sed audivit predicationem eorum. Et sunt X anni vel circa.

Item. In domo Willelmi de Canast vidit Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit cum eis dictum Iordanum Palazi, militem; et Petrum Galterii seniorem et Poncium, filium ipsius testi; et dominam Na Flors; et uxorem Bernardi Barrau. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo de Narica vidit Raimundum , filium dicte Riche heretice. Et vidit ibi cum eis W. Petri. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare, sed bene fuit locutus secum. Et sunt VII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo Raimundi de Quideriis vidit Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum Raimundum ; et Petrum Galterii seniorem; et Companhium; et matrem dicti Raimundi de Quideriis. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt dictos hereticos. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo de Na Petita vidit Petrum Bolbena et socium suum, hereticos. Et neminem vidit ibi nec ipse testis fuit locutus cum ipsis. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. In quodam loco qui dicitur ad Oliver prope villam de Manso vidit Bernardum de Mairevila et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Iordanetum Palazi; et Arnaldum Godalh; et Poncium dels Alamans; et Willelmum Vitalis; et Companhium; et Arnaldum Garnerium, filium ipsius testis. Sed ipse non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec audavit predicationarem eorum, sed bene fuit locutus cum eis. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa.2

Item. Dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bones homines licet sciret quod Ecclesia persequeretur eos. Et sunt XXXV anni vel circa quod primo credidit hereticos et sunt V anni quod non credidit. Dixit etiam quod audivit hereticos dicentes quod Deus non fecerat visibilia, et quod hostia sacrata non est corpus Christi, et quod matrimonio non valebat, et carnis resurrectio non erit. Et ipse testis credidit sicut ipsi dicebant, preter hoc quod nunquam credidit quod Deus non fecisset visibilia.

Item. In domo Bernardi de Quiders vidit dictum Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Iordanum Palazi et Gualhardum, fratres milites; et Petrum Amielh;  et Companhum; et Willelmum Vitalis; et dictum Bernardum de Quiders. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et fuit confessus aliis inquistori, quam confessione credidit esse veram, sed non habuit penitentiam. Alibi non vidit hereticos quod recolat.

Item. In domo Stephani de Rozenge vidit duos hereticos quorum nomina ignorat et vidit ibi cum eis Godalh et Willelmam, uxorem [F°14r]  dicti Stephani, filiam ipsius testis, qui infirmabatur et erat extremitate. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec eorum predicationem audivit  nec dicti heretici hereticaverunt dictam infirmam. Et sunt VIII anni.

Et recognovit quod male fecit quia postquam abiuravit  heresim et iuravit promisit persequi hereticos et vidit, credidit, adoravit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

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Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Garnier said that many times he saw many heretics in open public at Mas-Saintes-Puelles, at Montmaur, at Castelnaudary, at Laurac, and at Montferrand. He bought from them and sold to them, and many adored them. He saw many of them in the house of his father, and saw them many times, and adored them in many locations that he did not recall. And he saw so many people come with them that he did not recall. This was about 40 years ago.

Item. Peire Bolbena and his companion, heretics, came to witness' own home where the witness was laid ill and they preached to him. In the home with the heretics were the witness' wife, and Guilhem Vidal, and Esteve de Rosengue. But the witness did not himself adore or see adoring, and the aforesaid heretics were there at night. This was about 8 years ago.

Item. He saw Johan Cambiaire and his companion, heretics, in the house of Peire Cap-de-Porc and saw there Bernard del Mas and Jordan Palaisin, brothers and knights, and Peire Amelh, Peire Gauta senior, and Companh. But the witness did not himself adore nor saw adoring, however he listened to their preaching. This was about 10 years ago.

Item. He saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Guilhem Canast, and he saw with them Jordan Palaisin, knight, and Peire Gauta senior, and the witness' son Pons, and dominam Flors, and the wife of Bernard Barrau. The witness and everyone else adored the heretics there. This was about 8 years ago.

Item. In the house of de Narica he saw Raimund, son of the aforesaid Riche, heretic, and he saw there with them W. Peire. But the witness did not himself adore nor saw adoring, however he did speak with them. This was about 7 years ago.

Item. In the house of Raimund de Quiders he saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Raimund himself and Peire Gauta senior, Companh, and the mother of Raimund de Quiders. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics. This was about 8 years ago.

Item. In the house of Na Petit he saw Peire Bolvena and his companion, heretics, and he saw no one else, nor did the witness speak with them. This was the same time.

Item. In some place that is called Oliver near the village of Mas-Saintes-Puelles he saw Bernard de Mairevilla and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Jordan Palaz, Arnald Godalh, Pons De Alamans, Guilhem Vidal, Companh, and the witness' son Arnald Garnier. He did not adore nor saw adoring, nor did he listen to their preaching, but he did speak with them. This was about 8 years ago.

Item. He said that he believed heretics to be good men even though he knew the Church persecuted them. It was about 40 years ago that he first believed the heretics, and 6 years ago that he stopped believing. He said as well that he heard heretics say that God did not make visible things, that the holy host is not the body of Christ, that matrimony has no value, and that there is no resurrection of the body. The witness himself believed that which they said save that God did not make visible things, which he never believed.

Item. In the house of Bernard de Quiders he saw the aforesaid Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw with them Jordan Palaisin and Galhard del Mas, brothers and knights, and Peire Amelh, Companh, Guilhem Vidal, and the aforesaid Bertrand de Quiders. The witness and everyone else adored the heretics there and listened to their preaching. All this had been confessed to inquisitors, which confession he believed to be the truth, however he did not received penance. He did not see heretics otherwise that he recalled.

Item. In the house of Esteve de Rosengue he saw two heretics whose names he did not know, and he saw with them there Arnald Godalh and the witness' daughter Guilhelma, wife of the aforesaid Esteve, who was ill and near her end. But the witness did not adore, nor saw adoring, nor did the aforesaid heretics hereticate the aforesaid invalid. This was 8 years ago.

He recognized that he had done wicked things, and thereafter he abjured heresy and swore a promise to persecute heretics he saw, believed, adored. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses as stated before.