Deposition - Peire AmelhDéposition - Peire Amelh

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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0181). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0181, acc. 2020-09-22

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 32-33
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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 Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 Petrus Amielh testis iuratus dixit quod in domo Poncii Magrefort vidit Ysarnum de Castras et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Petrum Galterii senior; et Poncium Gasc; et Garnerium; et plures alios. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi predictos hereticos et audiverunt predicationem eorum. Et tunc ipse testis ivit cum eis apud Laurac et fuit cum hereticos ibi per duos menses, sed non fuit hereticus indutus nec ieiunavit nec oravit nec fecit illas abstinentias quas ipsi faciebant. Et post duos menses ipse testis rediit ad domum patris sui. Et sunt XXV anni vel circa.

Item. Vidit in domo Bernardi de Quiders Bertrandum Marti et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit  ibi cum eis dictum Bernardum de Quiders; et Poncium Rainart; et R. Moreta 2; et Garnerium; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XII anni vel circa.

Item. In domo Petri de Sancto Andrea vidit Iohannem Cambitorem et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Raimundum  Galterii; et Companhanium; et Arnald Godalh; et Petrum Gauterii seniorem; et Arnaldum de Rozenge; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et fuit circa predictum tempore.

Item. In domo Willelmi Vitalis vidit Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis dictum Willelmum Vitalis et uxorem suam, a Seguram; et Iordanum del Mas, militem. Et ipse testis b et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi predictos hereticos. Et fuit circa predictum tempus.

Item. Extra villam de Manso circa unam bartam vidit dictum Bertrandum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi [F°13v]  cum eis Willelmum Vitalis; et Arnaldum Godalh; et Raimundum Gautarii; et Companhium; et aliquos alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et fuit circa predictum tempus.

Item.  In domo Raimundi de Quideriis vidit dictum Bertrandum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi dictum Raimundum et matrem suam. Et ipse testis et alii adoraverunt predictos hereticos ibi. Et fuit circa predictum tempus.

Item. Dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines  licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos. Et sunt XXX anni quod hoc credidit et sunt VI anni non credidit. Dixit etiam  quod audivit hereticos dicentes errores de visibilibus, quod Deus non fecerat ea, c de hostia sacrata quod non erat corpus Christi, de baptismo et matrimonio quod nichil valebant, de carnis resurrectione quod non erat. Et ipse testis credebat tunc sicut ipsi dicebant, sed sunt VI anni quod non credit sicut predictum est. Alibi non vidit hereticos. d  Et fuit confessus inquisitoribus apud Limos quam confessionem credit veram, sed non habuit penitentiam. Et recognovit quod male fecit quia postquam abiuravit heresium et promisit persequi hereticos vidit hereticos, credidit, adoravit. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

  • a exp. S
  • b exp. P
  • c exp. et quod
  • d  supp. quod re
  • 1  1245-05-12 per MS609-0172
  • 2 sic. Guilhem Moreta?

[21] Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 P[etrus] Amielh testis iuratus dixit quod in domo Poncii Magrefort vidit Ysarnum de Cas[22] tras et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis P[etrum] Galterii senior; et Poncium Gasc; et Garnerium; et plures[23] alios. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi predictos hereticos et audiverunt predicationem eorum. Et tunc ipse testis ivit cum eis[24] apud Laurac et fuit cum hereticos ibi per duos menses, sed non fuit hereticus indutus nec ieiunavit nec oravit[25] nec fecit illas abstinentias quas ipsi faciebant. Et post duos menses ipse testis rediit ad domum patris[26] sui. Et sunt XXV anni vel circa. Item. Vidit in domo B[ernardi] de Quiders Bertrandum Marti et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit[27] ibi cum eis dictum B[ernardum] de Quiders; et Poncium Rainart; et R. Moreta 2; et Garnerium; et plures alios[28] de quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et sunt XII[29] anni vel circa. Item. In domo P[etri] de Sancto Andrea vidit Iohannem Cambitorem et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis R[aimundum] [30] Galterii; et Companhanium; et Arnald Godalh; et P[etrum] Gauterii seniorem; et Arnaldum de Rozenge; et plures alios de[31] quibus non recolit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et fuit circa predictum[32] tempore. Item. In domo Willelmi Vitalis vidit Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis dictum W[illelmum] Vitalis et[33] uxorem suam, a Seguram; et Iordanum del Mas, militem. Et ipse testis b et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi predictos hereticos. Et[34] fuit circa predictum tempus. Item. Extra villam de Manso circa unam bartam vidit dictum Bertrandum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi[F°13v] [1] cum eis W[illelmum] Vitalis; et Arnaldum Godalh; et R[aimundum] Gautarii; et Companhium; et aliquos alios de quibus non re[2] colit. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt predicationem eorum. Et fuit circa predictum tempus. Item.[3] In domo Raimundi de Quideriis vidit dictum Bertrandum et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi dictum Raimundum et matrem suam.[4] Et ipse testis et alii adoraverunt predictos hereticos ibi. Et fuit circa predictum tempus. Item. Dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines [5] licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos. Et sunt XXX anni quod hoc credidit et sunt VI anni non credidit. Dixit etiam[6] quod audivit hereticos dicentes errores de visibilibus, quod Deus non fecerat ea, c de hostia sacrata quod non erat[7] corpus Christi, de baptismo et matrimonio quod nichil valebant, de carnis resurrectione quod non erat. Et ipse[8] testis credebat tunc sicut ipsi dicebant, sed sunt VI anni quod non credit sicut predictum est. Alibi non vidit hereticos. d [9] Et fuit confessus inquisitoribus apud Limos quam confessionem credit veram, sed non habuit penitentiam. Et recognovit[10] quod male fecit quia postquam abiuravit heresium et promisit persequi hereticos vidit hereticos, credidit, adoravit. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

  • a exp. S
  • b exp. P
  • c exp. et quod
  • d  supp. quod re
  • 1  1245-05-12 per MS609-0172
  • 2 sic. Guilhem Moreta?

Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Peire Amelh said that he saw Ysarn de Castres and his companion, heretics, in the house of Pons Magrefort and he saw there with them Peire Gauta senior and Pons Gasc and Garnier and many others. the witness and everyone adored the aforesaid heretics there and listened to their preaching; and then the witness went with them to Laurac and was there for two months with the heretics, but he was not a vested heretic nor fasted nor prayed nor performed the abstinence which they did, and after the two months the witness returned to his father's house. This was about 25 years ago.

Item. The witness saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Bernard de Quiders and he saw there with them the aforesaid Bernard de Quiders, and Pons Rainart, R. Moreta, Garnier, and many others he did not recall. the witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there and listened to their preaching. This was about 12 years ago.

Item. In the house of Peire Saint-Andrea the witness saw Johan Cambiaire and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Raimund Gauta, Companh, Arnald Godalh, Peire Gauta senior, Arnald de Rosengue, and many others he did not recall. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there and listened to their preaching. This was around the same period as above.

Item. In the house of Guilhem Vidal the witness saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them the aforesaid Guilhem Vidal and his wife, Segura, and Jordan del Mas, knight, and the witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was around the same period as above.

Item. Outside the village of Mas-Saintes-Puelles near some woods, the witness saw the aforesaid Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them Guilhem Vidal, Arnald Godalh, Raimund Gauta, Companh, and some others whom he did not recall. The witness and everyone else adored the aforesaid heretics there and listened to their preaching. This was around the same period as above.

Item. In the house of Raimund de Quiders, the witness saw the aforesaid Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, and he saw there with them the aforesaid Raimund de Quiders and his mother. The witness and everyone adored the aforementioned heretics there. This was around the same period as above.

Item. The witness said that he believed the heretics to be good men even though the Church persecuted them, and it was 30 years ago that he believed such and 6 years ago he ceased believing such. The witness said as well that he heard heretics speak errors of visible things - that God did not create it - and that the holy host is not the body of Christ, and of baptism and matrimony having no value, that there is no resurrection of the body, and the witness believed then that which they said, but 6 years ago the witness ceased believing the aforesaid to be so. He did not see heretics elsewhere as was confessed to inquisitors at Limoux, a confession which he believed to be the truth, and he did not receive penance. He recognized that he did wicked things, and afterwards abjured heresy and promised persecute heretics he saw, believed, and adored. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses as stated above.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 13r-13v
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-05-12
  • GroupGroupe: Mas-Saintes-Puelles (1)

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  • Arnaud de Rosengue
  • Arnaud Godalh
  • Bernard de Quiriès
  • Bertrand Marti
  • Companh Gaufred
  • Garnier senior
  • Guilhelmeta del Mas
  • Guilhem Vidal
  • Johan Cambiaire
  • Jordan del Mas
  • many others unrecalled
  • Peire Amelh
  • Peire Saint-André
  • Peire Gauta senior
  • Pons Gasc
  • Pons Magrefort
  • Pons Rainart
  • R. Moreta
  • Raimund de Quiriès
  • Raimund Gauta del Plaigne
  • Segura Vidal
  • Ysarn de Castres

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  • domus of Bernard de Quidersdomus de Bernard de Quiders
  • domus of Bernard and Peire de Saint-André (Cap-de-Porc)domus de Bernard et Peire de Saint-André (Cap-de-Porc)
  • domus of Guilhem and Segura Vidaldomus de Guilhem et Segura Vidal
  • domus of Pons Magrefortdomus de Pons Magrefort
  • domus of Raimund de Quidersdomus de Raimund de Quiders
  • Laurac
  • Limoux
  • outside of Mas-Saintes-Puellesdehors du Mas-Saintes-Puelles

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