MS609-0132 : Deposition - Guilhem de GotuerMS609-0132 : Déposition - Guilhem de Gotuer

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 [F°9v]  Hic dicitur catholicus et habet neptem Arnaldi Picrelli Item. Anno quo supra, Kalendas Iulii.1Willelmus de Gotuer testis iuratus dixit se vidisse de nocte apud Mansum in domo  Bernardi de Quiders Bertrandum Martini et socium eius, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Bernardum de Manso, militem;  et Iordanum de Manso, fratrem eius; et Gualhardum de Manso; et Bernardum de Quiders et Bertrandum de Quiders,  fratrem eius; et dominam Metam, matre dicti Bertrandi de Quiders; et Willelmum Vitalem et Seguram; et Willelmum de Canast-  Bru; et Arnaldum de Rozenge; et Bernardum de Cap de Porc; et Arnaldum Godalh; et dominam Flors, uxorem dicti Galhardi de Manso , que adduxit ipsam testem ibi. Et omnes et ipse testis adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos et audierunt ibi predicationes eorum. Et sunt XIII anni vel circa. Alibi nunquam vidit hereticos nisi captos.

Item dixit quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et habere  bonam fidem et esse veraces et amicos Dei et posse salvari per ipsos. Et nunquam audivit hereticos loquentes quod Deus non fecerit visibilia et quod baptismus aque et alia sacramenta Ecclesie non prosint ad salutem. Et sunt XIIII anni vel circa quod primo credidit hereticos bonos homines et sunt XIII anni vel circa quod ultimo dimisit illam credulitatem. Et fuit confessus fratri Ferrario apud Saxiacum et postea non vidit hereticos. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: qui in confessione Willelme Sicrese.

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This one is said to be catholic and nephew of Arnald Picrelh Item. Year as above, Kalends of July. The witness Guilhem de Gotuer said she saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, at night in Mas-Saintes-Puelles in the house of Bernard de Quiders and he saw there with them Bernard del Mas, knight, his brother Jordan del Mas, Galhard del Mas, Bernard de Quiders and his brother Bertrand de Quiders, dominam Meta, mother of the aforesaid Bertrand de Quiders, Guilhem Vidal and Segura Vidal, Guilhem Canast-Bru, Arnald de Rosengue, Bernard Cap-de-Porc, Arnald Godalh, and dominam Flors, wife of the aforesaid Galhard del Mas, who brought the witness there. Everyone and the witness adored the said heretics and listened to their preaching. This was about 13 years ago. The witness did not see heretics otherwise except as prisoners.

Item. The witness said that he believed the heretics to be good men and to have good faith and they were true and friends of God and one could be saved by them. He never heard the heretics say that God did not make visible things and that baptism by water and other sacraments of the Church do nothing for salvation. It was about 14 years ago that he first believed the heretics to be good men and about 13 years ago when he left the belief. This was confessed to brother Ferrier at Saissac and thereafter the witness did not see heretics. He abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses as in the confession of Wilhelma Sicre.