Deposition - Peire RogerDéposition - Peire Roger

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How to citeComment citer : Rehr, JP. The Registry of the “Great Inquisition” at Toulouse, 1245-46: Edition of BM Toulouse MS609 (doc. MS609-0090). http://medieval-inquisition.huma-num.fr/documents/MS609-0090, acc. 2020-09-22

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  • Jean Duvernoy, ed.,  Le manuscrit 609 de la bibliothèque municipale de Toulouse. Lauragais 1245-1246, 1253,  http://jean.duvernoy.free.fr/text/listetexte.htm,  accessed 2017-08-01: 20
  • Austin Evans, ed.,  Interrogatoires subis par des hérétiques albigeois par-devant frère Bernard de Caux, inquisiteur, de 1245 à 1253,  BX4890 B47 1255g , Butler Library, Columbia University, New York
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 Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 Petrus Rogger testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Willelmi Vital Bertrandum Martini et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Willelmum Bru; et Aymendardam Boerra; et Seguram, uxorem Willelmi Vital . Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare.  Et sunt VII anni vel circa.

Item. Vidit in domo Stephani de Rozengue Raimundum Iaules et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Arnaldum Godalh; et Petrum Cap de Porc; et Guarnerium; et Raimundum Amielh. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos, sed non flexis genibus sed inclinavit se eis, sed non dixit benedicite. Et sunt duo anni vel circa.

Predictos hereticos credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos, nec audivit eos dicentes quod deus non fecisset visibilia. De hostia sacrata, de baptismo, de matrimonio, nec de resurrectione carnis non audivit eos loquentes nec nunquam audivit predicationem eorum. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos sed sunt IIIIor anni quod non credidit predicta omnia. Predicta omnia fuit confessus fratri Ferrario et socio suo, inquisitoribus, apud Limos  et pluria alia de quibus non recolat et omnia credidit esse veram. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

[19] Item. Anno et die quo supra.1 P[etrus] Rogger testis iuratus dixit quod vidit in domo Willelmi Vital Bertrandum Martini et socium suum,[20] hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis W[illelmum] Bru; et Aymendardam Boerra; et Seguram, uxorem Willelmi Vital . Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare.[21] Et sunt VII anni vel circa. Item. Vidit in domo Stephani de Rozengue Raimundum Iaules et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi[22] cum eis Arnaldum Godalh; et P[etrum] Cap de Porc; et Guarnerium; et Raimundum Amielh. Et ipse testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi[23] dictos hereticos, sed non flexis genibus sed inclinavit se eis, sed non dixit benedicite. Et sunt duo anni vel circa. Predictos hereticos[24] credidit esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos licet sciret quod ecclesia persequeretur eos, nec au[25] divit eos dicentes quod deus non fecisset visibilia. De hostia sacrata, de baptismo, de matrimonio, nec de resurrectione[26] carnis non audivit eos loquentes nec nunquam audivit predicationem eorum. Et sunt VIII anni vel circa quod primo credidit hereticos esse[27] bonos sed sunt IIIIor anni quod non credidit predicta omnia. Predicta omnia fuit confessus fratri Ferrario et socio suo, inquisitoribus, apud Limos [28] et pluria alia de quibus non recolat et omnia credidit esse veram. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: predicti.

Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Peire Roger said that he saw Bertrand Marti and his companion, heretics, in the house of Guilhem Vidal, and he saw with them there Guilhem Canast-Bru and Ermengarde Boer and Segura, wife of Guilhem Vidal, but the witness did not adore nor saw others adore. This was about 7 years ago.

Item. The witness saw Raimund Jaules and his companion, heretics, in the house of Stephan de Rosengue and he saw there with them Arnald Godalh, Peire Cap-de-Porc, Garnier Amelh, and Raimund Amelh. The witness and everyone one else adored the aforesaid heretics there, however he did not bend at the knee knee but bowed, and the witness did not say "Bless us." This was about 2 years ago.

The witness believed the aforementioned heretics to be good men and to have good faith and that one could be saved by them, although he knew the Church persecuted them. He did not hear them say the God did not make visible things. He did not hear them speak of the holy host, baptism, matrimony, or of bodily resurrection, nor did he ever listen to their preaching. It was 8 years ago that he first believed the heretics to be good, but it was 4 years ago that he stopped believing so. All the abovesaid was confessed to brother Ferrier and his associate, inquisitors, at Limoux, and he believed everything he said to be true. And he abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses as stated before.

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  • SourceSource: BM Toulouse MS 609
  • Shelf Mark/FolioCote/Folio: 7r
  • Document DateDate de document: 1245-05-26
  • GroupGroupe: Mas-Saintes-Puelles (1)

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  • Arnaud Godalh
  • Bertrand Marti
  • Ermengarde Boer
  • Esteve de Rosengue
  • Ferrier, frater ordinis predicatorum, inquisitor
  • Garnier senior
  • Guilhem de Canast Bru
  • Guilhem Vidal
  • Peire Saint-André
  • Peire Roger
  • Raimund Amelh
  • Raimund Jaule
  • Segura Vidal

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  • domus of Esteve de Rosenguedomus d'Esteve de Rosengue
  • domus of Guilhem and Segura Vidaldomus de Guilhem et Segura Vidal
  • Limoux

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