MS609-0078 : Deposition - Esteve de RosengueMS609-0078 : Déposition - Esteve de Rosengue

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Item. Anno et die predictis.1Stephanus de Rozenguer testis iuratus dixit quod vidit hereticos stantes publice apud Mansum et per totam terram. Et sunt XXX anni et amplius.

Item. Dixit quod vidit apud Mansum in domo Bernardi de Quiders   Iohanenem Cambitorem et socium eius, hereticos, qui predicaverunt ibi. Quorom predicationem interfuerent ipse testis; et Bernardus de Quiders;  et Moreta; et Bernardus de Manso, miles; et alii de quibus non recolit. Et omnes et ipse testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos dicendo quilibet pro se ter “Benedicite”, flexis genibus ante ipsos et addentes, “Domini orate deum pro isto peccatore, quod faciat me bonum christianum et perducat ad bonum finem.” Et sunt XVIII anni.

Item. Dixit quod vidit apud Mansum in domo Bernardi de Sancto Andrea Poncium Bolbena et socium eius, hereticos, qui predicaverunt ibi de nocte. Et interfuerent ipsi predicationi ipse testis; et Petrus Gauta senior; et Willelmus Vidal; et Bernardus de Manso, miles;  et Bertrandus de Quiders, miles. Et dictus Bernardus de Sancto Andrea et omnes et ipse testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XVI anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod Petrus de Sancto Andrea et Arnaldus Godalh adduxerunt de nocte duos hereticos, quorom nomina ignorat, ad domus ipsius testis dum Willelma, uxor ipsius testis, infirmeratur ibi in infirmitate qua decessit. Et tunc  dictam infirma non permisit se hereticari ab predictis hereticis. Et erant ibi ipse testis et Petrus Roggerii; et Garnerus; et Raimundus Garnerii. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt X anni vel circa.2

Item. Dixit quod vidit apud  Mansum in domo Garnerii Poncium Bolbona et socium eius, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis dictum Garnerium. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt XIX anni.

Item. Dixit quod vidit apud Mansum in domo de Naricca Raimundum de Manso,   hereticum . Et vidit ibi cum eo Jordanum de Manso, militem. Sed ipse testis non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt X anni vel circa. Alibi [F°5r]   nunquam vidit hereticos.

Dixit etiam ipse testis quod credidit hereticos esse bonos homines et habere bonam fidem et esse veraces et amicos Dei. Sed non audivit hereticos loquentes de baptismo nec de hostia sacrata nec de matrimonio tamen semel  audivit ab quodam hereticos quod Deus non fecerat visibilia et quod caro et sanguis regnum Dei non possidebunt3.  Et nunquam credidit ipse testis predictis erroribus. Et sunt XX anni quod primo credidit hereticos esse bonos et sunt X anni quod ultimo dimsit illam credulitatem. Et confessus fuit fratri Ferrario, sed non habuit ab ipso penitentiam. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit, et cetera. Testes: predicti.

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Item. Year and day as above. The sworn witness Esteve de Rosengue said that he saw heretics living openly in public at Mas-Saintes-Puelles and throught the land, and this was 30 years ago and more.

Item. The witness said that he saw in the house of Bernard de Quiders,in Mas-Saintes-Puelles, Johan Cambiaire and his companions, heretics, who were preaching there. Those attending the preaching were the witness himself, Bernard de Quiders, Moreta, and Bernard del Mas, knight, and others the witness did not recall. Everyone and the witness adored the aforesaid heretics there, each saying three times "Bless us," and bowing at the knee before them, adding, "Masters, pray to God for this sinner so that he might make me a good Christian and lead me to a good end." This was 18 years ago.

Item. The witness said that he saw in the house of Bernard de Sancto Andrea, in Mas-Saintes-Puelles, Pons Bolvena and his heretic companions who preached there at night, and those attending the preaching were the witness himself, Peire Gauta, Guilhem Vidal, Bernard del Mas, knight, Bertrand de Quiders, knight, and the aforementioned Bernard de Saint Andrea. Everyone including the witness adored said heretics. This was about 16 years ago.

Item. The witness said that Peire de Saint Andrea and Arnald Godalh brought two heretics - who names he did not know - at night to the witness' house where his wife Guilhelma was ill with a sickness from which she died. The aforesaid sick woman did not allow the heretics to hereticate her. In attendance there were the witness himself, Peire Roger, and Garnier and Raimund Garnier, but the witness did not adore nor see adoring. This was about 10 years ago.

Item. The witness said that he saw in the house of Garnier, in Mas-Saintes-Puelles, Pons Bolvena and his companions, heretics, and he saw them there with Garnier, but the witness did not adore nor see adoring. And this was 19 years ago.

Item. The witness said that he saw in the house of Na Riqua, in Mas-Saintes-Puelles, Raimund del Mas, heretic, and saw there with him Jordan del Mas, knight, but the witness did not adore nor see adoring. This was about 10 years ago.

Thereafter he did not see any heretics. The witness said that he believed the heretics to be good men and to have good faith, to be true, and friends of God, but he did not hear them speak of baptism nor of the Holy Host nor of matrimony. He once heard some heretics say that God did not create visible things and that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God, but he never believed the aforesaid errors. And it was 20 years ago that be began believing the heretics to be good, and it was 10 years ago that he left the belief. This was confessed to brother Ferrier and he did not have penance. The witness abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses as stated before.