MS609-0015 : Deposition - Pelegrina de Mont Server née del MasMS609-0015 : Déposition - Pelegrina de Mont Server née del Mas

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Item. Anno die quo supra1Pelegrina - uxor quondam Ysarni de Mont Server, filia Wilhelmi, dicti domini del Mas - Haec manet apud Cuellham testis iurata dixit quod vidit Gallardam, amitam suam, et sociam suam, hereticas, in domo Willelmi del Mas, patris ipsius testis et Willelmi del Mas. Vidit ibi cum eis patrem ipsius testis, et Fabrissam, matrem ipsius testis. Et ipsa testis et dicta mater ipsius testis adoraverunt dictas hereticas ter  flexis genibus dicendo, “Benedicite bone mulieres, orate Deum pro nobis”. Et sunt XXV anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit plures hereticos in domo Ramundi de Canast ubi morabatur tunc Nestolt de Rocha Vila2, et vidit ibi similiter hereticos quos non novit,  sed nullum vidit ibi exceptis dictis hereticos. Et ipsa testis adoravit ibi dictos hereticos. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo Petri Fabri hereticos quos non novit. Et vidit ibi cum eis Fabrissam, matrem ipsius testis; et Wilhelmam Meta, matremaBernardi de Quiders, sororem Willelmi del Mas ; et Guirandam, uxor Willelmi de Rocha Fort ; et Marquesiam uxor B. de Rocha fort ; et Aymengardam de Causser; et ipsum Petrum Fabri; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipsa testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ipsos dictos hereticos. Et sunt XX duo anni vel circa.3

Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo Willelmi de Canast Bertrandum Marti et socium suum, hereticos, et vidit ibi cum eis Fabrissam, matrem ipsius testis; et Willelmam Meta; et Mariam, uxorem Bertrandi de Quiders ; et P. Bernardum, carnificem ; et ipsum Willelmum de Canast; et matrem ipsius Willelmi de Canast ; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et ipsa testis et omnes alii, excepta Maria uxorem Bertrandi de Quiders , adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XIIII anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit Guillabertum de Castras et socium suum, hereticos, apud Mirapeisin domibus propriis ipsorum hereticorum et vidit ibi Braidam, socrum suam ; et Ceseliam, filiam dicte Braide ; et Avam, uxor Ramundi Sancii ; et P. Audoys; P. Raimundi Roi; et plures alios de quibus non recolit. Et tunc dicta Braida et ipsa testis miserunt tunc dictis hereticis fogassas et vinum. Et ipsa testis et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XVIII anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit in domo de Na Laureta apud Mirapeis Franciscam, matrem Willelmi de la Ylha , et sociam suam, hereticas. Et vidit [F°3r]  ibi cum eis Ransanam, uxor Ysarni de Fano Iovis . Et ipsa Laureta et ipsa testis et dicta Ransana adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Dixit quod stetit apud Perrelham cum Hysarno de Mont Server,  viro suo, et vidit ibi in domo de Na Forneira - matris Ramundi de Perrelha , heretice - Iohannem Cambiaire et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit ibi cum eis Corbam, uxorem Ramundi de Peirelha ; et Ceciliam, sororiam ipsius testis, que erat tunc heretica. Et ipsa et omnes alii adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XVI anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod stetit apud Montem Securum et vidit ibi Iohannem Cambiaire et plures alios hereticos et hereticas .  Et audivit predicationem ipsius Iohannis Cambiaire. Et vidit ibi in illa predicatione Arnaldum Rogger; Ramundum de Peirelha; et Sorbam, uxorem dicti Ramundi de Peirelha ; et Gebiliam, uxorem Arnaldi Rotgerii ; et W. de Mirapeis, qui est de Pamias; et plures alios de quibus non recolit . Et omnes, excepto dicto W. de Mirapeis qui non diligebat hereticos, adoraverunt ibi dictos hereticos. Et sunt XV anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit apud Culham in quadam domo ubi iacebat infirmus Hysarnus de Mont Server, maritus ipsius testis, Bertrandum Marti et socium suum, hereticos. Et vidit cum eis Arnaldum Rogger, qui duxit ibi dictos hereticos; et Ponciam de Vilar, uxorem quondam Ysarni del Vilar ; et Ceciliam, uxorem Arnaldi Rogar ; Raimundam de Mont Server; et Guallardam de Romengos. Sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare nec dictus maritus eius fuit hereticatus. Et sunt XI anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod in eadem villa in domo P. de Las Combas vidit Raimundam de Cuc et sociam suam, hereticas, et vidit ibi cum eis ipsum P. de Las Combas et duas feminas quas non novit; et Aimengardam, uxorem Petri de Mazerolas . Et ipsa testis et dicta Aymengart adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas, et tunc comedebant dicte heretice, et ipsa testis et dicta Aimengart de pane ab ipsis benedicto. Et sunt Vque anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod vidit in eodem castro in domo Dominici, qui erat de Cathalonia, tres hereticas de Fano Iovis quarum nomina ignorat. Et vidit ibi cum eis matrem dicti Dominici et Esmengardam, uxorem P. de Mazorolas . Et tunc ipsius testis et dicta Esmengarda adoraverunt ibi dictas hereticas. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Dixit quod misit, per dictum Dominicum, Braide maritib sui, socrui ipsius testis, heretice, duo sextaria frumenti apud Montem Securum. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Dixit quod alia vice misit dicte heretice per Petrum de Fogars qui erat de Lavebanet tres solidos Tholosanos. Et fuit eodem tempore.

Item. Dixit quod vidit Arnaldum de Pencha et B. S., hereticos, stantes in domo Willelmi del Mas . Et dicti heretici colligebant bladum dicti Willelmi del Mas, patris ipsius testis, sed non adoravit nec vidit adorare. Et sunt XX anni vel circa.

Item. Dixit quod quando stabat apud Perelham misit Forneire heretice duas fogassas et unam plenam canam vini per quandam ancillam suam. Et sunt XV anni vel circa.

Predictos hereticos credit esse bonos et habere bonam fidem et posse salvari per ipsos. Et audivit eos dicentes errores de visibilibus quod deus non fecerat ea, et quod hostia sacrata non est corpus domini, et quod in matrimonio non est salus. Sed ipsa non credit predictis erroribus. Et sunt XXIII anni quod primo credit hereticos esse bonos,  sed non credit postquam fecit confessionem suam de heresi fratri Ferrario et socio suo, inquisitores, apud Saysac. Et fuit confessa predicta et plura alia de quibus modo non recolit, sed omnia credit esse vera. Dixit etiam quod Hysarnus vir suus mortuus sunt X anni et non fuit hereticatus. Et abiuravit heresim et iuravit et cetera. Testes: Bernardus de Ladinhac;  Silvester, capellanus de Viridifolio; Petrus Fresapa. Et frater Bernardus, inquisitor, legit.

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Item. Year and day as above, the witness PelegrinaShe lives at Queille, wife of Ysarn de Mont Server, daughter of the aforementioned Guilhem del Mas, lord of Mas-Saintes-Puelles, said that she saw her friend Geralda and her companions, heretics, in the house of Guilhem del Mas, her father, and saw with them her father, and her mother Fabrissa, and the witness and her mother adored said heretics with knees bent 3 times saying, "Bless us, good women, pray to God for us." And this was 25 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw heretics in the house of Raimund Canast where Na Estolt de Rochavila was staying, and she saw there some who appeared to be heretics but who she did not know, but she saw no one else there except said heretics.

Item. The witness said that she saw heretics that she did not know in the house of Peire Faure and there with them her mother Fabrissa and Willelma Meta, the wife of Bernard de Quiders and sister of Guilhem del Mas, and Geralda wife of Guilhem de Rochafort, and Marquesa wife of B. de Rochafort, and Ermengarde de Caucer, and Peire Faure himself, and many others whom she did not recall. And the witness and all others adored the aforesaid heretics. This was about 22 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw Bertrand Marti and his companions, heretics, in the house of Guilhem Canast and saw there with them her mother Fabrissa, and Willelma Meta, and Maria, wife of Bertrand de Quiders, and P. Bernard, macellator, and Guilhem de Canast himself and his mother, and many others that she did not recall, and the witness and all others - except Maria, wife of Bertrand de Quiders - adored said heretics. This was about 14 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw Guilabert de Castre and her companions, heretics, at Mirepoix in the house owned by one of the heretics, and saw there her friend Braida de Mont Server and Cecilia, daughter of said Braida, and Ava, wife of Raimund Sanci and P. Audoys, P. Bernard Ros, and many others that she did not recall, and at that time said Braida and the witness sent the aforesaid heretics bread and wine, and the witness and all others adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was about 19 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw Francesca, mother of Guilhem de la Ylha, and her companions, heretics, in the house of Na Laureta at Mirepoix, and she saw there with them Ransana, wife of Ysarn de Fanjeaux and Na Laureta herself, and the witness and Ransana adored said heretics there. This was in the same period.

Item. The witness said that she was standing in Péreille with her husband Ysarn de Mont Server and saw there in the house of Na Fornier, Raimund de Peirelha's mother, a heretic, Johan Cambiaire and his companions, heretics and she saw there with them Corba de Peirelha, wife of Raimund de Peirelha, and Cecilia, sister of the witness, and they were at that time heretics, and the witness and all others adored said heretics. This was about 16 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she was standing in Montsegur and saw there Johan Cambiaire and many other men and women, heretics, and she heard Johan Cambiaire preach. And the witness saw preaching there Arnald Roger, Raimund de Peirelha and Corba, wife of said Raimund de Peirelha and Cecilia, wife of said Arnald Roger, and W. de Mirepoix who was from Pamiers, and many others who she could not recall. And all - except said W. de Mirapoix who did not esteem heretics - adored said heretics there. This was about 15 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw in a certain house in Queille her husband Ysarn de Mont Server laying sick, and Bertrand Marti and companions, heretics. And she saw with them Arnald Roger who led the said heretics there, and Poncia de Vilar wife of Ysarn de Vilar, and Cecilia Roger, wife of Arnald Roger, Raimund de Mont Server, and Galharda de Romengos, but the witness did not adore nor saw them adore, nor was said husband of hers a heretic. This was about 11 years ago.

Item. The witness said that in the same village in the house of P. de las Combas she saw Raimunda de Cuc and her companions, heretics, and saw there with them the said P. de las Combas and two women that she did not know, and Esmengarda, wife of Pons de Mazerol. And the witness and the aforesaid Esmengarda adored the heretics, and the heretics ate there, and the witness and Esmengarda had bread that was blessed by them. This was about 5 years ago.

Item. The witness said that she saw there in the same castrum, in the house of Dominici who was from Catalan, three female heretics from Fanjeaux whose name she did not know, and she saw with them there the mother of the aforesaid Dominici, and Esmengarda, wife of Pons de Mazerol. And the witness and said Esmengarda adored the aforesaid heretics there. This was in the same period.

Item. The witness said that she sent Braida - her husband's mother, mother-in-law to the witness, heretic - a sextaria of corn at Montsegur. This was in the same period.

Item. The witness said that on another occasion she sent the aforesaid heretic three Tholosans via Peire de Fogars of Lavelanet. This was in the same period.

Item. The witness said that she saw the heretics Arnald de Pencha and Bernard de Saint-Esteve staying in the house of Guilhem del Mas, and said heretics received some grain from said Guilhem del Mas, father of the witness, but she did not adore them nor saw them adore. This was about 20 years ago.

Item. The witness said that while in Pereilha she gave na Fornier, heretic, two fougasses and a full measure of wine via some maid of hers, and this was about 15 years ago.

The witness believed the aforementioned heretics to be good and had good faith and one could be saved through them. She heard them say the errors of visible things, that God did not create it, and that the holy host is not the body of the Lord, and that marriage does not save, but she herself did not believe in these errors. It was about 23 years ago that she first believed the heretics to be good but did not believe them after confessing to Ferrier and his companion, inquisitors, at Saissac, where she confessed all the aforesaid and much more which she did not recall, but she believed it all to be the truth. The witness said as well that her husband Ysarn de Mont Server died about 10 years ago, and he was not hereticated. The witness abjured heresy and swore, etc. Witnesses: Magister Bernard of Ladinhac; Sylvester, Chaplain of Verfeil; Peire Fresapa, Notary. Brother Bernard, inquisitor, read this.